I've tried to scan on SISI and I have to say that it's quite awful. Does any of you have figured how to move all the probes close to their center of gravity ?

BEFORE :
1- Push Alt
2- Grab arrow
3- Move mouse

NOW ON SISI :
1- Push Maj
2- Grab arrow
3- Release Maj
4- Push Alt
5- Move mouse (without being able to see the arrows, so your cursor is currently moving something you can't see...)

No, really, not good.

Currently you need to know how to use a DSP,

make a good probing setup,

launch probes out of d-scan range of the enemy

I just found "Regional Serpentis Data Processing Center" in Jovainnon solar system. I have with my self both the Relic Analyzer I and the Data Analyzer I. Neither of those 2 worked on any of the objects in the site mentioned above. So how is this exploration done. Dont tell me i need to have all skills on 5 for T2 modules so i can do exploration in lowsec.

If you trained BS5 for a carrier.. you can still use it for marauders and blops, I have no need to have the skill to level 5 now. CCP is removing something many of us specifically trained for which really adds no value anymore..

I have no need now and never will on this character to be able to use what you suggest. His purpose is simple, mine, scout, scan for exploration and wh's, PI, mission running in HS and when opportunity arises some pew pew.. I have other characters that can do blops etc..

I still do not see the need to have the skill to 5 anymore.. and the extra 5% I gain with it is not going to change my ability to find anything PVE related in my scanning bonused tengu with scan rigs..

But i just CANNOT get over why you changed the key bindings.

Why make the contraction shift+alt now though. why not just... alt.... like it was? why change that?

many other things will become much harder now. Again, you are removing a useful item; why?


Also, it seems that in the name of making exploration more accessible you are indeed dumbing it down.

Annoyances and problem feedback from sisi's current scanning iteration:

1. I can no longer launch the 8th probe on sisi. Please fix. It just wont deploy the 8th probe.

Seven probes launched at once
Probe launchers can now only launch a maximum of seven probes. These probes are now launched all together. One click, launches all.

In halving the SP of exploration skills, presumably people that have already committed to those skills will see their SP refunded and not just get the shaft?

i only just started testing the new scanning screen but the first thing i found is that once you scan a sig to 100% and you put the probes back at long range the 100% signal is back down

in the old system once you got a 100% signal it stayed at 100% in the list

is that something that is planned to change ? as the old system is rather useful :)

What? You still can launch 1 probe by yourself pushing the scan probe launcher, noone ever said that the launcher will be removed or you couldnt click it to launch one probe after another...

The 100% results in wspace don't save in the history
Is this working as intended? In a system with 10+ sigs how do we keep track of what we have scanned to 100%?

I wholeheartedly agree. Don't take away our deep space probes unless this new overlay will do exactly what deep space probes do.

A tool used by a lot of experienced players. If you want to remove DPSs, fine, do so, but keep the system scanner as it is, if not remove it too. Don't replace them with something easier. Just remove them, make it actually hard.

If the combat probes can go above 64 au and not go directly to the sun but placed before first scan, i'm sure i can make something work for this. It just makes it a lot more work when the dsp covered this feature.

So, with the skill modifier reduction, those of us that have trained that up quite high will get those sp back... Right?

Well actually they do, cf. : my post

My bad, then this was a misunderstanding. Nevertheless the effect changes lead to more or less lost SP.

just checking, Hi sec prof sites are supposed to give you **** all right? havent found any low or null sites yet and if the highsec versions are the same everywhere loot drops need a really serious buff

Eve is a complex game and people should be able to play it as they wish. removing DSP (or even removing readable percentages) is a dumbing down of the game, there is no question about it.

So giving scanning a "local chat" of its own is not dumbing it down? Why should you get all the information for free as soon as you enter a system?
DSPs are not easy mode, takes a siginificant time investment, special ships and equipment to use them.

Astrometrics V is a time investment, the heron low and behold is a specialized ship for scanning, and the expanded probe launcher is specialized equipment required for the DSP.
Not being able to see ships and structures is the reason why we want the DSP left in game. The discovery scanner is easy mode for cosmic signatures and anolamies, essencialy the "local chat" of scanning.

Agree with Aimee Maken. We speaking about significant time investment become pointless.

So a day old scanning alt in a t1 scanning ship being able to do close to what a DSP did is not dumbing the game down at all?
That is what the new system will bring.

because pressing "spread formation" and scan is so hard.

You it takes 2 seconds to fill those gaps by holding alt + shift right?

7/8 and adjusting them takes rolling a new character and putting it in the right ship, a DSP take almost 2 weeks to train to use, so you do the math.

No argument there. On the other hand moving my probes into a formation of YOUR making will require no time at all. If you can't see the problem right there, I don't know what else to tell

Exactly my point.

i think that to compensate for the removal of DSP, that you should allow Combats to expand to 256au. this would be a fair substitute. (and at the same time refund us our SP invested to use DSP)

Removal of DSP is Horrible. DSP coudl detect ships. There are still very needed. This is a dumb chance clearly made without thinking on PVP scenarios. Peopel do not scan only to find anomalies!

You know that they require a laucnher that is too CPU intensive to fit in most of the ships?

Scanner results are used to parse data for tools and record keeping.
Sig strengths on a first pass are used to quickly pick out the sigs of interest, nobody wants to probe 60+ sigs. Apparently CCP is full of wormhole carebears who do.
Nobody wants large colorful rows that take 5 times as long to scroll through than the condensed rows in the old system. BECAUSE COLOR IS BETTER THAN FUNCTIONALITY AMIRITE?
Combat probes are used for tactical on grid engagements with specific enemies, knowing the distance matters.

Edit: Nvm. I'm done.

Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...

Time to move on, unsubbing. And no, you cant have my stuff :) Spent last 2,5 month skilling for Tengu highsec/lowsec exploration and now it is obsolete. Thanks.

It is not a matter of adapting, it is being squeezed out. T3 ships are solo exploration ships, CCP seems to be doing everything in there power to remove solo exploration.

With the removal of T3 ships form 3/10 and 4/10 sites, inorder to do them now you must have a ton of ships scattered throught the galaxy, or have a Orca or another type of ship with a SMA to follow you around.

I will admit that I feel T3 ships are too powerful for a 3/10 and largely a 4/10 site, but at the same time a T1 cruiser can do most 4/10 sites, so why sould they allow any advanced cruisers and battlecruisers in them?
A Destroyer can do a 3/10 site, why allow any cruisers in them at all?

It all seems to boil down to the removal of solo exploration, which if that is what one finds entertaining then un-subbing is the only thing to do.

What about unrated sites, are there any new ship restrictions? Or is it only Tengu banned from 3/10 a 4/10? Thanks.

By adapting you mean to change ships and create the same pressure on 4/10 in high-sec? How is the situation changing? Just because it wont be Tengu but other ship, the problem gets solved by miracle? No, in a few months people will start a new forum whine being beaten in 4/10 competition by other ship used by high-sec exploration veterans.

I can use a Drake and play it the exactly same way, oh wait, I will have better and passive tank... I want to fly Tengu, because I find the ship more fun than boring Drake.

The problem is a site in safe high-sec generating loot worth up to almost 1B. Its a matter of supply and demand. If the site really is created for new players, then such a valuable loot has nothing to do in there, unless it is a part of lowsec expedition.

DED4's are beginner complexes? I thought those would be DED1 and 2's but hey...

Apparently you did not look at the training time of the new skill requirements, they are about the same amount of time now as they were before. How does that make it any easier?

4 weeks w/o breaking a sweat? You serious? Please send me an evemon plan for that char.

None of the new skills are any more useful than the old ones, with the exception of assault ships which had no bearing on the effectiveness of HAC.

So is this no longer a thing that's happening? I'm pretty sure they were 8x, 5x, and 5x before, and still seem to be.